again, this is not rocket science. but it is hard political work. the political will to meet the needs of children whose needs have never been met. >> it is tremendously hard. >> richard's argument is incredibly frustrating and it is personal, honestly, and it is because stephen is sitting here and the statistical likelihood of some graduates would be less than 50%. we can't say that's okay. like that is not okay. we have to take a totally different look at what we are doing in public education, rethink it, and said how say how we going to take things that we found in small isolated places and figure out how to get them to millions. that is a massive challenge. none of us are under estimating the size of the challenge. all i am trying to argue is that we actually have some really good indications of what those elements are. the likelihood of me graduating at the time was 5%. 5% of kids graduated at as a special education students. i went on to graduate from high school and had the luck of having great teachers and having great principles or luck of